"They survived hell, but did not break." Azov Georin's Extma Mandidir - About the Retailed Defenders and Those who stayed in the Russian Federation torture

Different structures were involved in this, but they showed that they could work together, achieve results and be effective. And we managed to return home more than 200 Ukrainian heroes who defended Mariupol defending Azovstal. They are now all in the hands of Ukrainian doctors. The process ended [September 21] late in the evening. Certainly, I saw everyone even then. The condition in which they were extremely difficult.

The Russians, realizing that they are being taken to give them, some were tortured even while traveling to the transmission. Therefore, most of them [immediately after returning to Ukraine] were definitely not talking and similar things. However, they are already safe now, someone has already gone away, someone begins to get away a little, and feels much easier.

They are gradually beginning to realize that this is true that it really happened, that they are really in the territory controlled by Ukraine, that no one will torture them. For many of them, torture and torture - it was a absolutely normal day for several months [captivity]. This can be seen even from the photos that teach. Most require doctors through torture, through torture, and through lack of food for a long period. We will correct it, I have no doubt.

The most important thing is that when communicating with them, I clearly saw that the moral, morale of absolutely everyone who returned - both women and men - at a high level. They are really cheerful today, some even break up to get into the system. That is, no one was able to break the Ukrainians, even despite the months of torture and abuse. - It is a victory in the chronicle of this war. Maybe you are known to you any details of the process? - There is not quite a straight line here.

Ukraine has used quite skillfully and effectively different conditions that are currently going on. In particular, what happens on the front, in the economic, diplomatic plane. Given all these aspects, we have conducted this return operation completely and extremely cool, and today we see the result. The result is that more than 200 Ukrainian heroes are here today. - The process of both physical and psychological rehabilitation of the defenders began immediately? - Yes, of course.

It is difficult to realize all the horror and hell that they survived first in Mariupol during the environment, then in Mariupol in Azovstal, then in captivity in a colony of Olenivka. Those who were still in the Donetsk detention center were a separate trial. Because there, in general, they approached torture and torture with separate cruelty. But they endured it all, they experienced it all. And their Ukrainian spirit withstood. And they are here now, because they have withstood it.

But what they survived is certainly hell. - People who survived Olenivka survived a double, triple hell. Everyone remembers that it was in Olenivka that the mass murder of Ukrainian servicemen took place. Did they survive, as far as I understand, only because they were in another building? - Yes, absolutely. And this is really important that we were now able to return witnesses who were directly in the building that we tried to blow up where the Russians tried to kill absolutely everyone.

Among those who were returned are those who were injured are those who were in the room where the terrorist attack took place. And this is very important, because it is from them that we will get extremely important testimonies that will be needed for the courts over every scum that has been relevant before.

- What is the fate of the people who are in captivity? How many people? What is known about their condition if you have such information? - I will not call the exact number of people, but I will say that we took away the smaller part. And many Ukrainian heroes are now under the control of the Russian Federation.

However, [the exchange] that has happened is an indicator for all parties - both for Ukrainians and Russians, for those who are now in captivity - Ukraine will do absolutely everything to return everyone home. Moreover, Ukraine can do it and Ukraine effectively uses what is happening around and those tools that are. This is such a very fundamental, significant difference between Ukrainians and Russians.

At a time when the Russians are trying to forget, somewhere to lose the lists of whom they have forgotten here, or in captivity, or in the field [battle], or dead, Ukrainians focus enormous efforts to bring home absolutely everyone. And so it will be until we really return absolutely everyone. - The more successful we have, the more effective are the actions of the liberation of our servicemen from captivity? - Certainly.

From the first day, I said that the most understandable language for the Russians is the language of power. And exclusively victory on the battlefield gives all the cards and tools to talk to the Russians. - A real miracle is the liberation of commanders, you will agree. Commanders and regiment of the Azov, and the Marine Corps Battalion, and the head of the National Police, who kept defense in Mariupol. - This is a really separate story that deserves special attention.

Honestly, until recently, even I was sure that it would be almost impossible, but it turned out. Again, we were able to pick up the commanders correctly. Under the conditions of negotiations, which were held, they should be in the territory of the third country until the end of the war. However, I can tell you that you can view these conditions through the course of events, again, on the battlefield. I am absolutely sure of this.

In the near future, a constant connection with those in third countries will be organized and organized. They will have the opportunity of personal meetings, that is, they can even go to their relatives, first of all. The most important thing is that we were able to pick them up from the Russian paws. They are now under the control of Turkey. There is no doubt that they will have absolutely everything in order to provide them normally.

- Do you have information what guys say? What do they tell? How do they respond to everything that is happening now? - [On the day of liberation] it was difficult for them to say something, even to someone to realize that it was all true. In half a day, I heard a huge number of the most amazing stories that happened to them in Mariupol and captivity. But I think that in the near future, when they are already tidy up a little, they will start telling it.

Believe me: there is so much that not that the book, there can be a separate library from what they have experienced. - And women, thank God, are liberated. The famous bird. What is the state of people now? There were special excitement for women. Among them was a pregnant woman. - It was really important to pick up, return women. First of all, it was certainly about a woman who is pregnant. They managed to pick up, she is already here, with her all right.

Just in order and with a bird that today knows, probably, all Ukraine is already very steep singing under shelling at azovstal. He saw her personally, she has all well. Now they will all undergo a medical examination because it is necessary. Then they will be able to get home, do their own business. But in moral terms, and physical in them everything is normal. It will only be better because they are already at home.

- Is the place of residence of the rest of the people still in captivity? Olenivka we mentioned you. And where did the occupiers take the Ukrainian servicemen? - The place where the largest number of Ukrainian soldiers is now located is really Olenivka. Also Donetsk. There are generally separate floors that are only protected separately for the Ukrainian military, where they are protected separately. We also have evidence that prisoners are in other pre -trial detention centers, such as Makeevka.

And also [a certain] number was exported to the territory of the Russian Federation. It is extremely difficult to collect information in the territory, although we constantly do and try to find new sources and use the sources that we have there at the moment. Donetsk, Olenivka and Makiiv detention center are the largest concentration places. As well as hospitals of Donetsk and Novoazovskaya. - We know about all the people who are now in captivity? - No, there are many who we can still find.

Or, for example, when we knew the establishments in which they were held, but then they were taken out, and now we are trying to look. The problem is that Russia does not provide any official information about this. They do not provide any answers. All the appeals that are made [to them] are ignored.

Even for those people who are in the territory of the Russian Federation, not the occupied territories: we clearly know from our sources that they are there, we make the requests of officials about it, but they are constantly ignored. And so at the official level, no information at all can be obtained. And all the information we have is from such hidden sources, sometimes personal sources in those territories.

Sometimes, I will say directly, corrupt sources in the territory, but nevertheless, we pull out some information there, look for anyone who is where and in what condition. - There is a discussion. There is a position that when a person is held captive, you need to keep information silence, not name, because it can harm.

But there is also the opposite position that this person's announcement accelerates the likelihood of release, because the occupiers understand that this person is known about this person, and he simply cannot disappear somewhere. Can you voice your position on this question, because it is very important in terms of the functioning of the information space so as not to harm, but vice versa? - This is a really very subtle and difficult question. It is very difficult to keep this correct limit.

The truth is that we cannot afford to remain silent first, because complete silence, complete silence, will lead to the fact that people will simply start disappearing, and we will never find them. But at the same time, you cannot create the opposite price; To make the enemy understand that these people are valuable, that they need to be asked or blackmailed for them. My position is that it is necessary to talk about it. We must constantly remind you of what we remember.

We need to talk about what we know who and where it is, but to do it correctly and analyze what we say. There is no need to speak extra personal information. It is not necessary to name sources. All such things are thin, it is better to remain silent about them. However, it is necessary to keep the information temperature on this issue.

- Why does the Russian dictator Vladimir Putin need his godfather - Viktor Medvedchuk? - Now he is more needed to show that the Russians may be intercepted for someone; Although someone, though they can protect. They have a huge problem with this. And above all in the occupied territories where they flee, leave the collaborators who worked on them, and then these collaborators are behind bars.